Pballer2005 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 i brought my 99 ex in to the local transmission shop to finally get the new bearings in. the put in a bearings and syncro kit as well as a bad 3/4 shift fork and i get the call this morning to tell me its all done. drove it home this afternoon with no problems, ran it up and down all the gears high and low rpm's but i didn't bang it around at all. parked it and finished my classes. went out this evening with the misses to get some coffee and i went to downshift into second with the clutch pressed in and ggggrrrr. wtf? i tried pushing it into 2nd again, gggrrr then it finally went in (i know that's what she said). unless i'm under 15 mph i can't get into 2nd without it grinding. i'f i'm going under 30 i have to slam it into 2nd. i've tried double clutching and that doesn't work. i also can't downshift into 1st unless i'm going under 15mph, but it doesn't grind, it just wont go. if i push against first i can hear it a sound like an electric motor winding up and then once i'm going slow enough it pops right in no problem. i'm going to call the shop tomorrow since they have a 12k warranty on all their work. this sux cuz i was all stoked that my car was in and fixed up and then i get hit with this bs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wannaBstuntin Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 Sounds like they took the synchros out of the 1-2 gear collar. I wouldn't down shift into 1st anyway if I were you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pballer2005 Posted April 3, 2009 Author Share Posted April 3, 2009 i normally dont' but since i found something wrong i wanted to check everything. i found out if i'm going fast enough (freeway) it does it in 3rd if i downshift too slowly. i can double clutch into second i just wasn't revving it enough before. i called the shop and they said to bring it first thing tuesday morning and they would fix the problem and any damaged it caused for free since its all under warranty. the guy thought it was weird cuz he replaced all of the the syncros but i have a feeling they are going to find a little box of parts sitting in a corner somewhere and go i wonder what these were from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pballer2005 Posted April 3, 2009 Author Share Posted April 3, 2009 could it be possible that they oil they used was too thin and thus not creating enough resistance to get the syncros to spin the gear up to speed? since it seems to be something that is affecting what seems to be all the syncros (can't really test 4th and 5th since i don't have a rocket motor to get me going that fast) and the best things that i can think of that would affect all of them in a similar way would be imporperly installed or bad syncros or trans oil, i may as well try getting the right oil and trying it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wannaBstuntin Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 Based on my understanding of transmissions (which I've only read about online), I would say it's the synchros. Especially if double-clutching solves the problem, and even more so if that's what they were just working on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pballer2005 Posted April 3, 2009 Author Share Posted April 3, 2009 yeah you are right, i took it by the shop. they drained all the fluid out and put new fluid in, just in case. the cleaned the whole bottom of the casing and then let me drive it around the block. they checked under for leaks and nothing, and the fluid they put in was the right one. the guy drove it around a couple times to get a feel for what was happening and sure enough he said it was a faulty syncro set, so i'm bringin it in again monday evening and they said they would work on it on Tuesday. it's drivable for now, i just can't downshift into 2nd until i'm under 30mph or double clutch it. i'm kinda surprised ssr didn't chime in although he prolly already agreed with what you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wannaBstuntin Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 Good to know, because I've been doing a lot of research on it myself. The stratus has this problem in 3rd gear and only 3rd gear. My friend (a girl) took it to a shop and was told that a tooth or 2 on the gear was probably missing, so the only fix would be a new tranny. LOL. Now maybe I can get this fixed MUCH cheaper. How much did the shop charge you btw? And I think ..SSR.. has just been busy lately. Probably not on as much since he's building a lot of trannys and travelling alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pballer2005 Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 Good to know, because I've been doing a lot of research on it myself. The stratus has this problem in 3rd gear and only 3rd gear. My friend (a girl) took it to a shop and was told that a tooth or 2 on the gear was probably missing, so the only fix would be a new tranny. LOL. Now maybe I can get this fixed MUCH cheaper. How much did the shop charge you btw? And I think ..SSR.. has just been busy lately. Probably not on as much since he's building a lot of trannys and travelling alot. they were pretty reasonable compared to the shops in the area. total came to $820 for a bearing a syncro kit and a 3-4 shift fork. he broke it down to something like 300 for labor, 300 for parts, and 200 for bench work. i brought the car in at the end of the day on monday and they were done at around 10am thrusday. the guy had experiance too, he'd been doing it since he got out of highschool and is middle aged. they had a crap load of nice cars in the lot, even though they were all muscle cars (i drooled over the 2nd gen camaro they had sitting out in bright red and the black chevelle they had out there too) and the guy seemed really nice. one major thing that i noticed that set his shop apart from others was that the people and the facility were clean. sure the guys looked like they had been working all day but they weren't covered in grease and the shop was well maintained. i didn't feel like the guy was trying to bone me over like every other place i looked at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wannaBstuntin Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Holy crap that's still waayyy more than I thought. I'm gonna get a second opinion about if it's the synchro, then try to order one and install myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax82 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 When I graduate from autotech school, which is going to happen about a year from now, I will be going into transmission work because there is a huge market for that. Two people i know already have private shops. I can go and work for either one when I am done with school. Also, I will probably have my "ASE" certification once I graduate. The school I go to is persistant about take the "ASE" exams while you are in school. Both of my friends are living a very good life doing this work. They are able to charge customers for taking out the tranny, fixing it and putting it back in. They usually include all this in one package deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wannaBstuntin Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Eff that. I'll tear it apart myself with little to no understanding of transmissions lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pballer2005 Posted April 5, 2009 Author Share Posted April 5, 2009 i cant do it myself because its my only car and i can't exactly do it at school, and since my parents offered to pay for it i figured why not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax82 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Ryan, you are right, as with most automotive repairs/maintenance, it is chaeper to do the work yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastigir Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Ryan, you are right, as with most automotive repairs/maintenance, it is chaeper to do the work yourself. Until you mess it up, then it costs more. If you can do the job yourself, then go for it. If it's beyond you, then send it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..SSR.. Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 First mistake was not taking it to a shop that specializes in Honda transmissions. 2nd was replacing the synchros. 3rd was trying to downshift into 1st. Synchro's don't care about fluid. They spin with the hub, not the gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wannaBstuntin Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Why was replacing the synchros a mistake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pballer2005 Posted April 6, 2009 Author Share Posted April 6, 2009 First mistake was not taking it to a shop that specializes in Honda transmissions. 2nd was replacing the synchros. 3rd was trying to downshift into 1st. Synchro's don't care about fluid. They spin with the hub, not the gear. there aren't any shops specialising in honda transmissions other than the dealers which wanted to charge me almost $2k i'm curious about why replacing them was a mistake as well. every shop i called said that the bearings a syncros come in one kit i didn't let the clutch out, just pushed the shifter into 1st while i was going about 20mph to check if there was a problem there as well, and it didn't want to go, before i brought it in it would go into gear after i could hear things spin up to speed. but if doing this is a mistake then let me know and i wont do it anymore since you know way more than i do about it. i wish you were in southern cal. i'd just pay you to do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..SSR.. Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Synchro's usually don't wear out. 99% of the time its the hub/slider/gear. Downshifting into first is a no no because it tried to slow the gear down more than it can and wear the hub/slider/gear. Would have saved money shipping it to me, even after paying the shipping both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pballer2005 Posted April 6, 2009 Author Share Posted April 6, 2009 Synchro's usually don't wear out. 99% of the time its the hub/slider/gear. Downshifting into first is a no no because it tried to slow the gear down more than it can and wear the hub/slider/gear. Would have saved money shipping it to me, even after paying the shipping both ways. i don't have the time/tools to drop the trans myself. i'm at school and they get made at you for doing car work in the parking lot. i shoulda just waited but i was afraid of the isb going out and ruining the whole thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pballer2005 Posted April 12, 2009 Author Share Posted April 12, 2009 everything is fixed, got the car back on friday and everything feels mint. the syncro kit they installed had a bad 2nd gear. they got a new syncro set and the thing feels great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelSolSweetie Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 i didn't let the clutch out, just pushed the shifter into 1st while i was going about 20mph to check if there was a problem there as well, and it didn't want to go, before i brought it in it would go into gear after i could hear things spin up to speed. but if doing this is a mistake then let me know and i wont do it anymore since you know way more than i do about it. I do believe there is a lockout in first anyway mine wont downshift into first unless its under a certain mph otherwise it whines because they dont want people to downshift into first like that thats what i was told at least the thread can go back to being dead now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..SSR.. Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 everything is fixed, got the car back on friday and everything feels mint. the syncro kit they installed had a bad 2nd gear. they got a new syncro set and the thing feels great. That is suspect. 1/2 sleeve set doesn't include a 2nd gear. 1st doesn't have a lockout, shafts are just spinning too fast for it to engage unless you're going slow enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pballer2005 Posted April 26, 2009 Author Share Posted April 26, 2009 receipt says "S-RINGS SYNCHRO RING SET-S 1.0 @ 95.00 =$ 95.00" so whatever this means is what they replaced. it was under warranty so it was free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..SSR.. Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 That is just a synchro. Only company that makes a hub/slider for Honda trannys is Honda themselves, and they don't resell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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