SPEEDFREAK0920 Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 SUP EBRYBODY. I'M NEW TO THIS FORUM AND JOINED BECAUSE MOST OF YOU SEEM LIKE SOME SMART ASS HONDA PEEPS. MY QUESTION IS, I HAVE A 92 HB THAT'S TOTALLY STOCK AND WAS WONDERING WHAT'S THE BEST SWAP ON A 7000 BUDGET? I WANT TO BE IN THE MID-LOW 13 RANGE. H22 WAS MY FIRST OPTION BUT THIS KID I KNOW MADE A LANE CHANGE AT 70 MPH ON THE FREEWAY AND ENDED UP LOSING CONTROL AND TOTALING HIS RIDE. HE ASLO HAD A FULL TEIN SUSPENSION SET UP. B20/VTEC? LS/VTEC? BUILT GSR WITH STOCK OR ITR TRANNY?B16A2/TURBO? I WOULD HOPE TO ONLY SPEND AT THE MOST 5 ON THE ENGINE SO I COULD UPGRADE MY SUSPENSION/BRAKES/RIMS/ETC. BUT IF YOU GUYS COULD EVEN HELP ME OUT ON ALL THAT OTHER SH*T I JUST MENTIONED, DAMN I'D BE RELIEVED. SO BASICALLY....BEFORE I START GETTING MIGRANES OVER THIS SITUATION , WHAT'S THE BEST TOTAL COMPLETE PKG. I CAN HAVE ON A 7000 BUDGET??????? NOW HOPEFULY FOR THE REPLIES. HONDAS KICK ASS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDM Jackass2 Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 LS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercutio Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 First of all...hit Capslock...save us save mental eardrums... Secondly, I don't know what your friend with the H22 was doing, but a 70mph lane change has nothing to do with the engine unless he shifted into reverse while doing it. And even then, thats the tranny. Third, wait for SSR. He may be an ass, but he knows his crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDFREAK0920 Posted April 8, 2004 Author Share Posted April 8, 2004 LS1 i threw one of those in my homemade go cart and it's still slow as hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDM Jackass2 Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 i threw one of those in my homemade go cart and it's still slow as hell. probably was. i mean that engine only makes 350 horsepower and 350 torque while only weighing 60 pounds more than a b16....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optional187 Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 there's a whole list of things wrong with this thread...i'm not going to waste my time making it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDFREAK0920 Posted April 8, 2004 Author Share Posted April 8, 2004 whole list of things wrong? i thought you guys could help me out but guess not. im still f*ckin clueless on what set up would be the best for my damn ride. this forum sux ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optional187 Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 if you're clueless then maybe you should at least make a little attempt to research this topic. its painfully obvious you haven't done much at all, if any. you probably found the first honda forum (quite possibly by typing in "hondaforums.com" just to see what would happen) and quickly sought out the civic section...then made this thread with such haste that you failed to notice that the CapsLock was left on accidently. on that note...i call bs on the ls1 in a go-cart thing. big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDFREAK0920 Posted April 8, 2004 Author Share Posted April 8, 2004 no sh*t the gokart ls1 was bs. i have done some research. i was going to go with a gsr b18c1 and add some itr cams and possibly new pistons and rods but then i got caught up on whether to use the gsr tranny or the itr tranny. i know the itr has lsd but wasn't sure if the gsr did? i was also considering a b20/vtec cuz some kid at my school has that set up and he's in the high 11's [with the aid of nos] but i know you have to get a machine shop to do work because the b20 wasn't made for vtec and they need to drill sh*t. i'll tell u honestly, i am new to this. i just got my hb late last year and now i just finally got some money to actually do something to my car. so how bout u quit actin like a d*ck head n cut me some slack. i just want to get some positive feedback from someone who actually knows their crap and can help me out without tryin to bash on me. so basically what im tryin to get at is...SHUT THE FAWK UP IF U DON'T HAVE SOMETHING USEFUL TO SAY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBirdSucks Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 no sh*t the gokart ls1 was bs. i have done some research. i was going to go with a gsr b18c1 and add some itr cams and possibly new pistons and rods but then i got caught up on whether to use the gsr tranny or the itr tranny. i know the itr has lsd but wasn't sure if the gsr did? i was also considering a b20/vtec cuz some kid at my school has that set up and he's in the high 11's [with the aid of nos] but i know you have to get a machine shop to do work because the b20 wasn't made for vtec and they need to drill sh*t. i'll tell u honestly, i am new to this. i just got my hb late last year and now i just finally got some money to actually do something to my car. so how bout u quit actin like a d*ck head n cut me some slack. i just want to get some positive feedback from someone who actually knows their crap and can help me out without tryin to bash on me. so basically what im tryin to get at is...SHUT THE FAWK UP IF U DON'T HAVE SOMETHING USEFUL TO SAY N2O and CR/VTEC? what's his setup? he must not be on too high of compression. you don't actually have to drill into the B20 block if you use an external oil line. if you go this route, do it right the first time. you'd need a GS-R oil pump, timing belt(I think, let me double check on that), ARP rod bolts, LS rods, and various other parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercutio Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Yeah, the B20/Vtec swap swap is really a lot harder than it sounds. As bigbird said, you can use (i think) an extrenal dry sump for your oil, but it has to be done juuust right. Also, the drilling and machining would have to be done to bore the B20 just a little bit and resleeve it for boost. Which is expenive. I emailed Golden Eagel MFG about resleeving my D16Y8 and they estimated a $4,250 load for the resleeving plus some new internals so that it would run properly. And thats without cool stuff like a turbo...heh. Anyways, it sounds like you've done a good amount of research on some options, and as always, people talk crap. I myself plan on doing the GSR swap, and adding a few bolt ons and maybe throwing a turbo close to a year later because of monetary issues...heh. Oh, and the ITR tranny usually works better because of the LSD and higher factory load, but you can buy an LSD for the GSR tranny. A lot of the stuff you're looking for I've found on this site, but I haven't gottena nything form them just yet. Good luck. Landspeed Racing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..SSR.. Posted April 9, 2004 Share Posted April 9, 2004 Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDFREAK0920 Posted April 9, 2004 Author Share Posted April 9, 2004 hey thanks for the advice mercutio. how much do you think an lsd for the gsr tranny would run me? ya i think im going to stick with the b18c1. but what parts off the itr do you think i should swap onto the b18c1? cams,pistons,rods,etc. ??? thanks again for the help........1 more ? do u think i should just get an itr tranny since it already comes with lsd or would it be cheaper to buy one n install it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckmofo Posted April 9, 2004 Share Posted April 9, 2004 I have the same car as you, and same budget. I'm going with an b18c5 t3/t4 ball bearing turbo kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..SSR.. Posted April 9, 2004 Share Posted April 9, 2004 Quiafe LSD = $850 ITR tranny = $1,300 B18C5's suck for F/I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDFREAK0920 Posted April 10, 2004 Author Share Posted April 10, 2004 how much would it cost to install the quiafe lsd? do u think it would just be cheaper to get an itr tranny? are the gear ratios almost the same or how much more aggressive is the itr tranny? thanks man one of my friends has an 00 usdm itr and he boosted it but ran into a lot of problems within a week so he sold the whole system. just to let you know but if it worked your itr would hall some serious ass! how much do you think i'll end up spending on itr internals and cams for the b18c1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercutio Posted April 10, 2004 Share Posted April 10, 2004 Im not so sure how to answer some of your questions. SSR can add what I can't finish. The ITR tranny would probably be a better bet if you know how to make a transmission work after bolting on. Otherwise, it would probably be the same amount for either setup after installation fees. I hear good things about the ITR tranny, but have never had experience with them myself. Like SSR said, the B18C5 sucks at boost, that would be the ITR engine, and is better suited for N/A high comp. I do know that if you would like to go high comp, and N/A, the ITR head would go well on the GSR block, along with ITR pistons. But if your going to go boost, than you'll want some manufacturers' pistons for the lower comp. Take it away SSR... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..SSR.. Posted April 10, 2004 Share Posted April 10, 2004 Why use ITR parts? Either buy a B18C5 or buy aftermarket. It would be cheaper to buy an ITR tranny unless you can do your own work. ITR is the same as a Civic Si ratio wise, unless it is a JDM ITR. ITR/Si FD = 4.40 JDM ITR FD = 4.7x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckmofo Posted April 10, 2004 Share Posted April 10, 2004 they are better then b16as....then whats the best route for F/I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..SSR.. Posted April 10, 2004 Share Posted April 10, 2004 Then just save up and buy a B18C5. Otherwise, go with aftermarket parts. Best stock engine for FI is the B18C1 and B18B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
civicracer388 Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 One question: What's FI? I understand the whole bosst thing, but what is FI? I've been thinking about it since I read this and can't figure it out. Actually, I think I just got it; is it 'forced induction'? Thanks anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDFREAK0920 Posted April 11, 2004 Author Share Posted April 11, 2004 thanks a lot fellaz, u guys helped me out a lot. i'm going to go with the itr tranny since i'm not able to do the work myself. so putting an itr head with itr pistons wouldn't be a good move ssr? one more thing, i'm trying to put my car in the mid to low 13 sec. range. with all that we've been talking about, does this seem possible? thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optional187 Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 yup, "FI" means Forced Induction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckmofo Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 about the b18c5...I was getting mixed up between the jdm and usdm motors, I am getting the b18c1... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..SSR.. Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 JDM = B18C whether its from an SiR or a Type R USDM = B18C1 GSR, B18C5 Type R ITR head = 1,400 ITR tranny = 1,200 I'd just buy the tranny and some cams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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