wannaBstuntin Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 This election is more about choosing the lesser of all the evils than picking the best candidate (to me at least). It always is. If Hilary won, who'd be the first lady? Chelsea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben. Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 It always is. Chelsea? ROFFLE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sup Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Huzzah for plastic surgery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastigir Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 I agree completely. I just hope he can beat McCain......which McCain would be worse than Bush IMO. Ron Paul is a joke. He wants to do away with the IRS and Dept. of Defense. What an idiot. I hate the IRS as much as the next guy, but any idiot can see that we have a need for them. If we don't pay taxes (which Ron Paul is against), then we won't have 90% of the freedoms that we enjoy. You can't have freedom without the money to back up and protect that freedom (which is why we also need the DOD). This election is more about choosing the lesser of all the evils than picking the best candidate (to me at least). Eliminating the IRS shaves 9 billion dollars a year out of the federal budget, which can be put to better use in other areas we're lacking, like the DoD. Huckabee is also for eliminating the IRS and installing a flat tax, which I am all for. Honestly, at this point it's beginning to look like McCain/Huckabee in '08. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sup Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Huckabee seems to be very supportive of small business owners, which I am all for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleanGSR Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Eliminating the IRS shaves 9 billion dollars a year out of the federal budget, which can be put to better use in other areas we're lacking, like the DoD. Huckabee is also for eliminating the IRS and installing a flat tax, which I am all for. Honestly, at this point it's beginning to look like McCain/Huckabee in '08. Sounds great....with one problem. Who's gonna come after me and the other millions who cheat there taxes next year? Who's gonna enforce things if I do cheat taxes? Give me a flat tax, and then I just won't pay it since there's no agency to come after me if I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lceah Posted February 7, 2008 Author Share Posted February 7, 2008 I agree with it's always about choosing the less evil... and we have to pay taxes...we just have to make sure they go to good use! I hope they cut back on stupid spending! I even wish they cut back on all these space programs that aren't very necessary...even though I work in aerospace and might lose my job if that happens...I would go work somewhere else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guythatknowsnothing Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Ron Paul all the way. he is a no bullsh*t candidate. I am all for the troops but i dont see a purpose in them dieing in iraq. he is the only one who wants to pull out of iraq. Obama is muslim!!!!!!!! Hilary pulls funding for schools and puts it towards womens rights... (No offense to any women, you ARE equals) McCain couldnt end a war any better then a ford focus could beat a s2k (which they cant)... so why does it matter if he's muslim? that's the most ignorant thing i have ever read on this forum. I agree completely. I just hope he can beat McCain......which McCain would be worse than Bush IMO. Ron Paul is a joke. He wants to do away with the IRS and Dept. of Defense. What an idiot. I hate the IRS as much as the next guy, but any idiot can see that we have a need for them. If we don't pay taxes (which Ron Paul is against), then we won't have 90% of the freedoms that we enjoy. You can't have freedom without the money to back up and protect that freedom (which is why we also need the DOD). This election is more about choosing the lesser of all the evils than picking the best candidate (to me at least). i like huckabee but he doesn't have a chance in the election im thinking that mcain/huck is gonna be the best way to go. it doesn't really matter if obama gets the dem nomination b/c nobody is going to beat him. i am with the many before that said if hilary gets elected i'm moving away as far as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sup Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 The space program can't be abandoned. When all goes to hell on earth, well we have to go somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lceah Posted February 7, 2008 Author Share Posted February 7, 2008 maybe he meant that since Obama is a muslim, he doesn't exactly have the same kind of views on specific things as the majority of US population...my problem with Obama is his "no votes"!!! well, that's not the only space program...there are so many programs...I said the ones "that aren't very necessary"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guythatknowsnothing Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 like you said his no votes indicate that he doesn't have the balls to be president and make hard decisions. what is he going to do when he is the commander and chief? say oh guys i don't want to vote you decide for me...he has no backbone he is john kerry all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lceah Posted February 7, 2008 Author Share Posted February 7, 2008 lol ya...or he might just go on vacations like Bush whenever he feels like it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbith Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 hung... ron paul is about removing the irs and replaceing it with the fair tax. As is Huckabee. The Fair tax is a 23% nation sales tax on all consumer goods. It will in effect take car of all the people who dont pay taxes now, by forcing them to do so. Read more about it at Fairtax.org. (So we would be saving 9 billion dollars a year, while still making money to help reduce our national defecit.) I personall support Ron paul, but with the national news medias agenda the public will never hear anything about him. I talk to people everyday who are like who the he*^ is Ron Paul. So if you dont research things like these on your own, you will never know anything more than the latest agenda of big government america. (Just my two cents.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guythatknowsnothing Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 the "fairtax" as you state it isn't fair on the lower income people in the US that get tax breaks now (that they need to survive). elderly mostly will be effected. the better implementation would be tax on luxury items based on the price. if someone can buy a boat for a mil then they deserve to pay some serious tax on it. if someone is scraping the barrel to buy bread then they by no means deserve to pay tax on that bread. don't get me wrong the fairtax thing is good but a flat tax is just going to be the same as it is now, a burden to the poor. it just needs a different approach. people really need to research things in this media centered society instead of relying on the news to inform them. ron paul, if you go to his website and read about his stance, is probably the most inline with you're views if you are a moderate. IMO ron paul is the best canidate and even if he doesn't run i will write him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbith Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 i completely agree on the ron paul. and as far as the Fair Tax, im not saying it doesnt need some refining. But i think it is a hell of a lot better than out current set up with the IRS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleanGSR Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 I see what you're saying....but it doesn't really matter. Congress will probably never pass it. I love how all these candidates promise and claim to do so much, but when it boils down to it.......they don't have the power. That's how our system is set up, so that no one person has all the power. Nobody will ever get anything passed without getting congress to agree to it, so they need to stop making promises (will never happen though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbith Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Without the promises how would they get all the dumb a&^ people to vote for them? I hear ya though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wannaBstuntin Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 ^ That's why it ends up just being a popularity contest, and things like (religion/sex/etc) end up being factors to so many people. I think that the voting age should be whatever the minimum age to take office is (which would be 35). I'm not saying it should be 35, but they should be the same. My thought being that if you're not good enough to take office, then why should you be smart enough to vote for the right person to take office? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprtbiker Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 so why does it matter if he's muslim? that's the most ignorant thing i have ever read on this forum. I totally agree! maybe he meant that since Obama is a muslim, he doesn't exactly have the same kind of views on specific things as the majority of US population...my problem with Obama is his "no votes"!!! Obama is not muslim. I don't know where people think that? Probably from the news? What do you mean that muslims do have the same views as the US population? Not muslims of the world but an American muslim? Obama is an American. His views on the US are going to be different from the next person just becauce everyone has different views. As far as military is concerned. We spend so much $$ on the military, yet military men and women do not get the proper treatment that they deserve while they serve and especially when they return injured. Been there, done that. So even though we are spending more $$ on the military, it is not for the soldiers, it is for weapons. So you are all mistaken to think that if Hillary or a democrats gets into office, the first things they will do is cut defense budget and that will effect the soldiers. It will effect the defense companies. Maybe if we spend even a fraction of that defense money on domestic issues like healthcare, education, poverty, etc. we would be better off. All politicians are all corrupt. They are all funded by corporations and interest groups. So guess who they will help when they get into office? Plus they all make promises based on what the public wants to hear. Very few ever keep their words. So picking someone is difficult because you have to look past the bs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CelticRacer Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 I totally agree! Obama is not muslim. I don't know where people think that? Probably from the news? What do you mean that muslims do have the same views as the US population? Not muslims of the world but an American muslim? Obama is an American. His views on the US are going to be different from the next person just becauce everyone has different views. As far as military is concerned. We spend so much $$ on the military, yet military men and women do not get the proper treatment that they deserve while they serve and especially when they return injured. Been there, done that. So even though we are spending more $$ on the military, it is not for the soldiers, it is for weapons. So you are all mistaken to think that if Hillary or a democrats gets into office, the first things they will do is cut defense budget and that will effect the soldiers. It will effect the defense companies. Maybe if we spend even a fraction of that defense money on domestic issues like healthcare, education, poverty, etc. we would be better off. All politicians are all corrupt. They are all funded by corporations and interest groups. So guess who they will help when they get into office? Plus they all make promises based on what the public wants to hear. Very few ever keep their words. So picking someone is difficult because you have to look past the bs. his mother is atheiest, his birth father was muslim, his step father was muslim, he went to a muslim based schoool in another country... what about him isnt mislim? arent we having a war over muslim based terrorists and there non existant weapons of mass destruction? i agree about the military point you just made. ron paul is the only one who isnt corrupt, why do you think the media doesnt mention him? do your research on ALL the candidates, make up your own mind, dont believe everything your hear , not even from me. find it out for yourself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sup Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 ron paul is the only one who isnt corrupt, why do you think the media doesnt mention him? Because he only has about 6% of the vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CelticRacer Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Because he only has about 6% of the vote or because they dont want you to hear what he has to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapphyre Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 originally, I liked Ron Paul till he started so show some really socialist promises- which is how he's getting the college vote. I'm all for fair trade, equality and reasonable taxes but having lived in a flat tax country, i've seen that it doesn't work well. Also, by eliminating the IRS and current taxes, it means that both mine and my fiance's families take a huge loss which is something I'm not prepared to be responsible for. imo, Paul should just drop out of the republican race at this point- he doesn't have a chance and if he does want to continue his campaign, then he should run as an independant. If obama or hillary make it in... I'll shoot them personally. I've always hated Hillary, even when Bill was in office. I think she's kniving, scheming, and just generally a bitch who's only in it for herself. Obama I have problems with. Big problems with. I dont trust anyone who won't take a side on a major issue such as war or abortion and will simply claim "present." I don't trust where he managed to get his money from in order to run in the first place before his endorsements- it's never been aired publicly. I refuse to live in a country where the president wants to be sworn in on the Qu'ran instead of the bible. Englands already going the way of the Muslims (they're even beginning to put in muslim law over there) and that was a big reason why I left there. I refuse to be part of even more of a superpower that'll end up going that way too. There's a pretty good chance Obama wouldn't make it past the first year anyway. KKK numbers are back up to their strongest numbers ever, and they're far more extreme than they ever were before. Personally, I like McCain & Huckabee. Yes, Huckabee might be a far right religious nutcase, but this is a country founded by christians and everyone's seemed to forget that lately. I dont believe our war with the middle east is over oil, weapons of mass destruction or anything else. I believe that it's yet another crusade. Almost everyone I know feels the same way. Forget politics, this is about religion and having a strongly religious president who can return the country to its original values will help this war. Huckabee just wants to try and get back to what we're supposed to be. McCain has a lot of experience in politics and I feel he's a confident leader, so I wouldn't be upset with either of them. McCain's the likely winner though. Mitt Romney dropped out of the race today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lceah Posted February 7, 2008 Author Share Posted February 7, 2008 Obama is Muslim...and I have real life experience with how most of Muslims think and believe...just because he lives in America doesn't mean he is still not a Muslim/has the beliefs/etc... I lived through the Iran/Iraq war and lived as a Christian under their government...so I get their mentality...but I'm not judging Obama saying he is exactly like that...I'm just saying he might have different views due to his background... also, he didn't vote in congress or voted "present" so what makes me think he is going to take his job as a president seriously and actually work?!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sup Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Good riddance to Romney. He had corruption written all over him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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