museic07 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Hey, im really new at this but have been helping my uncle work on his car and i was wanting to swap my engine out but dont know a good one to use, i have a 2000 civic si, i dont want to have to use a turbo i want just complete engine power so any good suggestions? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airjordan223 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 well you have a pretty good motor to start out with, and youre really not going to get that much more power with any other motor, unless you spend some money. if you dont want a turbo, just do an N/A build. how much power are you looking to get anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex37211 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Basically, to get a considerable power increase over your current motor without turbo, nos, etc, the best swap candidate for you is the k-series. (k20 from an rsx type-s is very good). This swap is not for novices though. And to have one installed is very expensive. It would be a lot cheaper AND easier to just build your motor up a little and put on a light turbo. Plus turbo sounds really cool. Another route would be to replace your block with one from an Integra LS or Honda CRV. I don't know which one would be more stable, crvtec or FI... and i know what everyone's gonna say, "either would be perfectly reliable if done right". Doing it right is often the tricky part however. Just try a search on LS/VTEC or CRVTEC There are dozens of threads to read through. A lot of conflicting opinions, but enough for you to form one of your own. Just don't jump into anything without EXTENSIVE research. And when you've decided what to do, research some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museic07 Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 i dont really know how much im lookin for?. . i guess i just want something that i can drive around town to work and stuff but then on weekends tear up the track. If i do go the turbo route would it affect my in town driving to much if i keep the boost low? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airjordan223 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 no it wont affect it. lets start here, how much money do you have to spend on this build? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museic07 Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 well i have around six or seven grand but i would like to get some other things to such as suspension and interior things, but i want most of that for the engine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museic07 Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 alright ive been looking at wrecked rsx type s, and can find some pretty cheap ones. I really just dont know what to do, say you had my car and this choice, what would you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex37211 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 I have wet dreams about k-swapped civics. You can put that motor in and leave it bone stock and it's gonna be a lot faster than an LSVTEC. Plus, you get all the reliability and longevity that comes with a stock Honda motor. Not to mention a 6-speed tranny. :drool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleanGSR Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 5 grand for a K swap in a car that will run mid 14's when done. Seems silly to me. The 00 SI is not lightweight like the EG hatches that most people swap a K into. You'll probably run half a second quicker than an actual RSX (which aren't that fast to begin with). Drop that 5 grand into a nice N/A build on the B16 or do a CR-VTEC with your B16 head (with a 5 grand build) and you'll stomp all over a stock K20 swap. K20's are nice for two reasons, to be unique (not even that unique these days) and to be fast in a really lightweight shell. If I had your car and 5 grand for motor alone....no doubt, I'd get a B20b block with B16 head, high compression pistons, cams, I/H/E tune with hondata. You'd have way more power than a stock K20 and as good or better torque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museic07 Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 you think maybe a k24 block and a k20 head would give me some power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex37211 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 5 grand for a K swap in a car that will run mid 14's when done. Seems silly to me. The 00 SI is not lightweight like the EG hatches that most people swap a K into. You'll probably run half a second quicker than an actual RSX (which aren't that fast to begin with). Drop that 5 grand into a nice N/A build on the B16 or do a CR-VTEC with your B16 head (with a 5 grand build) and you'll stomp all over a stock K20 swap. K20's are nice for two reasons, to be unique (not even that unique these days) and to be fast in a really lightweight shell. If I had your car and 5 grand for motor alone....no doubt, I'd get a B20b block with B16 head, high compression pistons, cams, I/H/E tune with hondata. You'd have way more power than a stock K20 and as good or better torque. Damn, how much do those SI's weigh? My eg is all of like 2100-2200 lb. Yeah, I guess the b20/b16 built would be more powerful. But that k24/k20.... I think that might yield some higher numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleanGSR Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 SI's weigh in around 2600 pounds or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museic07 Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 ok i found a k20a and a k20a2 for sale k20a is 5,800 shipped with everything needed k20a2 is 4,000 shippped with everything hmm any input on these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch92 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 if it was me i'm take a B20 block sleeve it, run a set of Eagle rods, and JE high comp. pistons to do the block. As for the head do a set of crower or skuink 2 springs and retainers, with a set of set of skunk 2 pro cams with a skunk 2 intake manifold and 66mm throttle body. Port and polish the head slap it on the block. Run an LSD in your stock tranny, with a fidanza flywheel and an ACT or Fidanza Street/Stripe clutch. Then tune it with hondata or crome. Now if you want a little more get up and go after all this done you can go nitrous and/or swap out your final drive for a 4.7 Edit: thats just me though i wouldn't put a K-series in your car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museic07 Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 yeah the si's are pretty heavy but i've already taken out my back seats and a few other things so it is still alot but not to bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museic07 Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 If i did your build would i still have some drivabilty/ for daily driving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch92 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 yes, with 93 octane gas. Edit: Skunk2 made 270+ with the Pro Series 2 cams with a 14.3:1 compression ration and race gas. if you run an 11:1 with a 93 octtane gas it should put you around 210 ish. And i'm pretty sure i'm low balling it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museic07 Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 hmm that would seem reasonable, ive been looking into the k20/k24 lately, know of any civics with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch92 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 cranny wants to do it with his Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museic07 Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 i found this guy, 10.9, on the stock 20/24 combo with a turbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch92 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 it's a hatchback though. the HB's are lighter than the coupes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museic07 Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 i was checking out cranny's swap earlier ummmmmm amazing haha, i would really like to try it, i havent heard to much about it in a 2000 si, i think it would be pretty interesting, i dont go back to college untill fall so id have a couple months to get everything worked out, this being my first build/swap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch92 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 if this is your first build i would highly suggest not ot take on a k20/k24 swap unless you have someone with alot of experience helping you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrorocketeer Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 was there really that much "custom" work with cranny's swap? just the mounts from the looks of it. just took some other stock mounts, and welded them in. everything else pretty much fit like it was meant to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museic07 Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 my uncle and his friend are gong to help me, his friend has shop, hes going to let me use after he closes at night. i found this: http://www.alsautopa.com/parts.htm and this: http://www.aableautosalvageny.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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