Caspers_Civic Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 OK, so I was reading in a DSport Magazine last night and I discovered the H2B swap which uses the h22 with a b series tranny with a h2b (also known as the poor man's K20) kit to make the tranny mount to the block. Now I know that evolution industries makes a kit but the kit is for the EG. I have an EK (2000 hinda civic). Does anyone know if the parts from the kit will work just without the mount and perhaps I can get a mount made for the EK? also another question would be is if the swap is worth it. What kinda things am i going to run into after the swap is done such as understeer, too much weight, ect.? Thanks for everyones help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solmeistro Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 OK, so I was reading in a DSport Magazine last night and I discovered the H2B swap which uses the h22 with a b series tranny with a h2b (also known as the poor man's K20) kit to make the tranny mount to the block. Now I know that evolution industries makes a kit but the kit is for the EG. I have an EK (2000 hinda civic). Does anyone know if the parts from the kit will work just without the mount and perhaps I can get a mount made for the EK? also another question would be is if the swap is worth it. What kinda things am i going to run into after the swap is done such as understeer, too much weight, ect.? Thanks for everyones help. dude h22's aren't worth it. they're too heavy and the bore is so wide that the walls are thinner meaning no high compression, and no forced induction. if you plan on forced induction then go with a GSR, if naturally aspirated then go with a type-r motor where the compression is already 12:1 on most civics and del sol's the engine bay has to be modified to fit the h series swaps....long story short, not worth the time money or work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspers_Civic Posted May 7, 2007 Author Share Posted May 7, 2007 dude h22's aren't worth it. they're too heavy and the bore is so wide that the walls are thinner meaning no high compression, and no forced induction. if you plan on forced induction then go with a GSR, if naturally aspirated then go with a type-r motor where the compression is already 12:1 on most civics and del sol's the engine bay has to be modified to fit the h series swaps....long story short, not worth the time money or work. OK. thanks, I was looking into it before I had the swap started. I currently have the D16 in my EK and I am coming across 8,000 to throw into the car and I was debating on a motor swap as well as forced induction on a new motor. Any more advice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH6TunerDaniel Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Dude, definately get the H2B. Get the QSB kit for less than $800 shippedd to you, order a B-series mount kit for an EK, and get the illicit speed alternator relocation bracket and use a D series alternator. The H isnt much heavier than a B swap, and there are still guys on HT that say there handling wasnt compromised much if at all with it. You are looking at High 12's to low 13's with the stock h22 in the right chassis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspers_Civic Posted May 7, 2007 Author Share Posted May 7, 2007 I was doing a bit more research and I think that I am going to go with the H2b, I won't be doing the swap as I am in Iraq but I will be doing the turbo myself. Anything in particular that I should know in having this setup w/turbo? I think I am going to enjoy very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..SSR.. Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Don't turbo it unless you build it. Won't last long. You can run high compression on an H22, it has FRM walls so it doesn't matter that they're thin. Thats why they're FRM. You just have to sleeve it to put pistons in it. The C5 has 10.6:1 compression, not 12:1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspers_Civic Posted May 7, 2007 Author Share Posted May 7, 2007 Don't turbo it unless you build it. Won't last long. You can run high compression on an H22, it has FRM walls so it doesn't matter that they're thin. Thats why they're FRM. You just have to sleeve it to put pistons in it. The C5 has 10.6:1 compression, not 12:1. So what setup would you recommend that I go with than? I was debating between the B16A2 or the H2B, I decided on the h2b cause I wanted the power of the h22 with the gearing of the b series but if I got with the b series than I would be able to boost. Any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolLesHonda Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Go H2B all motor. Don't listen to the first guy to reply to this post. His info = not good. Get what EH6 said, and get some Type S pistons. Send your head to member ..SSR.. and then you'll have a fun ass car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspers_Civic Posted May 7, 2007 Author Share Posted May 7, 2007 Go H2B all motor. Don't listen to the first guy to reply to this post. His info = not good. Get what EH6 said, and get some Type S pistons. Send your head to member ..SSR.. and then you'll have a fun ass car. Thanks for the input on watch out for who's saying stuff. I know a lot about that cause I have been on these forums for a year and a half now and I've saw this kind of stuff all the time. I know that you and EH6 and SSR are quite knowledgeable when it comes to these kind of things. The only problem that I am having right now is that when I do have all of this done to my car I will still be here in IRAQ and won't have a way to send the crap to him unles........ maybe I could get someone to do it but anyway. Thank for the help. I think I'll stay with the H2B and NA. I'll PM SSR for some prices. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolLesHonda Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 See what he'll do about some cams, head work, and valvetrain. Do that, along with some new rods, and stock Type S pistons, Euro R manifold and you'll have an affordable beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspers_Civic Posted May 7, 2007 Author Share Posted May 7, 2007 I'm hoping that I can get approx 300-350 out of this setup but i don't have a lot of money I still have to purchase everything so if you know of anyone with all the essitials such as the H22 motor and ECU and wireing harness as well as a preferred LSD b series tranny let me know. I think that is all I need for the swap. I can order the H2b kit off of the evolution site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolLesHonda Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 350? Hahahaha no. You can make maybe 200-220whp NA. Don't shoot for a number, because chances are you don't know what 220whp H2B feels like. In an EK, it could run 12's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspers_Civic Posted May 7, 2007 Author Share Posted May 7, 2007 I hoping for at least low 12's with the amount of money that I will have to put into it and than maybe some modifications later. But as it stands right now I will only have around 8 g's to drop into the car and that's for parts and labor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolLesHonda Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 8000 is a LOT. You'd spend 5000 if you bought what I said and had someone do it all for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspers_Civic Posted May 7, 2007 Author Share Posted May 7, 2007 Awesome sh*t. Thats what I'm hoping for if I can find the right prices on everything though. I PM'ed SSR hopefully I get some good responses. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolLesHonda Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 I'll put together some links when I get the chance. Fair enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspers_Civic Posted May 7, 2007 Author Share Posted May 7, 2007 Awesome I appreciate it. Now I remember why I like you guys. LOL other than the fact that you guys used to argue about bs all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspers_Civic Posted May 7, 2007 Author Share Posted May 7, 2007 Well, Its 2130 Here in the beautiful Sandbox, LOL I'm off to bed I hope to read more from everyone tomorrow. Thanks for the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH6TunerDaniel Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Go with the QSD kit over the Evo kit....just what looks better IMO. I think thats what they mostly use on HT too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..SSR.. Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 IM, headwork, cams, header, sleeved, rods/pistons, H2D (D is cheaper to build and uses a lighter clutch). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cranny Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 you can make more than that solles. these engines love bolt ons and a tuning. guy here locally right now , has JDM H22A , cams and exhaust , all bolt ons , cant remember what he tunes on , but he runs mid 13's and pushes about 235 whp. he drags alot too , so experience has alot to do with his times. the H22 cannot be bored out also cause of what SSR mentioned , FRM sleeves. so keep that in mind when making your decision. its the least user friendly out of them all imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspers_Civic Posted May 7, 2007 Author Share Posted May 7, 2007 IM, headwork, cams, header, sleeved, rods/pistons, H2D (D is cheaper to build and uses a lighter clutch). So i can use my d-series tranny on h22 swap? would it be the same kit as the h2b? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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