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I know swapping has been covered in many various places across the forums, but nothing really gave me the concise, targeted answer I wanted. Although, there was a lot of good info to be found and it did help me narrow my choices.

 

Anyway, here's the deal. I have (if you couldn't tell) a bone-stock 2000 Civic Ex Coupe. I was holding off on doing anything to it because I was planning to get an Si, but that looks like it isn't going to happen any time soon, so I'm looking into building up my EK for now. I'd like to get some options and opinions on what would be the best course to take.

 

As most of us know, I'm running the D16Y8 right now. I'm looking into doing a swap (as opposed to forced induction) to increase my power. It's not that the trusty 1.6 is overly slow in the hands of someone who knows how to shift, but I would like a bit more acceleration to deal with the freeway traffic I drive in every day (passing, getting out of the way of idiots) and honestly, I just love to drive and would like a few more ponies under the hood.

 

From what I've read (as I'm still relatively new and somewhat ignorant on the subject), I have a couple of possibilities. I can swap out to a B-Series, but they're aging and increasingly difficult to get in good condition (or so I've read). I can do a K-Series, but that would require a substantial amount of modification and custom enigne mounts, etc. However, I do like the increased power of the K-Series and the possibility of going to a 6-speed. Is the H-Series even an option? Of course, cost is an issue, and I know that the K-Series are pretty expensive.

 

I'm sure people are probably going to suggest modding the engine I have now, but it does have over 97k on it, and I'm not sure how much potential gain you can get out of the D16Y8.

 

So, what would you do if you were in my position? I'd love to hear from you guys, because honestly, I have no idea where to go from here.

 

Thanks in advance!

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1. Its an EJ6 not an EK, those are the JDM CTR.

2. If you can afford it the K20A2 or K20Z would the best of them for you. Hasport makes the mounts and axles. They also make the conversion harness. A K swapped civic can definitely haul some ass. It just takes money.

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Oh, whoops, you're right. EJ6. Sorry 'bout that.

 

What kind of money are we talking for the K's?

 

*Edit* I found a K20A2 on the site that airjordan gave me for $4k. Is that a good price? What would all the necessary equipment run? Or have they included it all? Here's the page: Click

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$4000 for the complete swap from hmotorsonline.com and $650 for mounts.

 

Edit: All the stuff you need to run the car comes with the swap. You just need mounts from Hasport.com which are bout $650.

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So $4650... what am I looking at for the work? I know this is like, sacrilege, but there's NO way I can do that kind of thing myself. I know some people that work on Hondas, but I don't know them well enough to know if they can (or trust them to) do a full engine swap. And I'm sure they won't do it for free.

 

By the way, if I did decide to go B-Series, which one do you guys like best?

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i dunno, probably around a grand for the install. i personally would go for the b18 gsr swap. some people like the b16 and some like the b18, its like the turbo vs supercharger deal, whatever you like best

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Well, I have to decide if the 6-speed, 30 extra HP and 21 extra ft-lbf are worth the extra money. The B18C GSR complete swap is $3149... getting that close, I think the 6-speed and extra power just might be worth it. Plus, I really like the K-Series. I've driven a few (including the K203Z) and I've really liked them.

 

It would change the redline, so I'd probably have to change my gauges, eh? :D

 

Also, with more power, would I have to upgrade my brakes? I was thinking about doing a rear disc conversion... would that be worth it?

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atleast get some performance pads and rotors (drilled or slotted, or both) in the front, maybe some SS brake lines. if you still feel the need, then do the conversion, but i think youll be fine

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Thanks for your input guys, it's greatly appreciated.

 

Please, if anyone else has any ideas or opinions, please chime in!!

 

Oh, also, for the K-Series swap, do I need a new intake? How about fuel pressure regulator and A/C hoses? Don't you have to do stuff the radiator like moving the fan switch and temp sensor? Also, if you want A/C, do you have to move the compressor? Also, I read this about the power steering:

 

Power Steering Sorry, this is a no-go as of yet. The problem is that the pulley sticks up too high to clear the hood. Even when you cut hood support beams, there's not enough room. Likely, a carbon-fiber hood company will make a K-series hybrid hood soon. For now, you can just loop the in and out hoses on the steering rack together and get a hell of a workout. You will also need to install the idler pulley from an EP3 (2002-and-up Civic Si) to take the place of the power steering pump.

 

huh

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ok ok. i say get a gsr man. i had a b18c1 in my 97 civic with a few s2 upgrades and it was fun to drive.

a gsr with a new intake manifold, throttle body, cold air intake, header, and full exhaust will give you a very good boost in performance. it will be around 200hp at the flywheel, MAYBE 170 at the wheels. i never got mine tuned but i was running 9.3s on an 1/8 mile using stock tires. that would be a low 14 on a 1/4 mile, if i had slicks and it was a cold night out, MAYBE a high 13.

 

and if you want more power, you can either build it for compression, or slap a turbo on there and have 300whp easy.

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I dunno, man. I thought about forced induction, but isn't it a bit hard on the internals? I mean, I know you can do it "right," but I thought a full swap would be better for the long run.

 

Or wait... did you mean put a turbo on the GSR?

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I haven't seen any swapped k-series cars that have retained power steering. You'd have to get new lines fabbed for sure, but I'm positive that with any amount of money, it could be done. K is definitely the way to go permitted you have the money..

 

Then again, h22's in 96/00 EM1's and EJ6's are pretty badass too. A local boy has one in his '99 EX coupe and is running 14.0@102mph. Super high trap speed for only a 14 flat. He JUST got an H2B adapter with an Integra Type R transmission and has yet to re-track it.

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He has what is possibly the WORST launch in the history of all imports.. Too torquey, I suppose. Doesn't do anything but spin on BFG T/A KDW NT's. And those are pretty sticky, not Drag radials ..but.. Not smooth at all.

 

His 60' time is 2.4 LOL.

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It's not that he's a bad driver..Hell, I could get a 2.1 or 2.0 out of his car on the tires and wheels he has now. He just can't launch. He's good just..driving though. Lawlz.

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So... a GSR swap would be much more straightforward and cost effective, then? Would I be able to retain my power steering and everything?

 

Yep. A/C would be easily converted.. I'm not POSITIVE about power steering, but I've seen a lotta' swapped cars that have it.

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