Civic98ex1st Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 I was casually cruising down a highway as I decided to spray, well as soon as I did i went up to 120 when my brakes locked and made me lose all of my speed, i don't really know if this was an act of the limitor or what, but how do i get passed the block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleanGSR Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 If you're brakes locked, then it's not your governor. Your governor just cuts fuel I believe. You're lucky you didn't blow your motor by getting the fuel cutoff while still spraying. You need to get your ecu chipped to get rid of the governor. Check out www.pgmfi.org. They can hook you up with the chipping and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphries Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 haha, fuel cutoff= locking brakes.. haha!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boostedb16 Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 The only way to get past your "govenor" is to chip you ECU. But MAKE IT VERY CLEAR to whomever you are getting the ECU from that you are using nitrous and DO NOT want this chip to have advanced timing. Alot of guys make that mistake and then BOOM!!! Also alot of guy around here are just taking a GSR ECU and plugging it into there stock B16. It lowers the V-Tec input and advaces timing a little bit. Makes for a harder cold start and I've never seen anyone get away with it while using any othere alternate hp methods...i.e. nitrous or boost...Just thought I'd throw that out there though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrorocketeer Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 you mean retards the timing right? and that would make it hard to start, along with locked timing. (no advance) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boostedb16 Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 The aftermarket ECU can have slightly retarded timing or he can go w/ just a stage colder spark plug...either way he just needs to make sure that they don't advance the timing on a chipped ECU if he's ruunning nitrous. As far as the GSR computer goes I'm almost certain that it does adavance the timing a little bit on a stock B16. The harder COLD starts are most likly because of different readings from the GSR to the B16 ECT sensor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attaus Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 boostedB16 is right, most of those ECU's use a timing advance as a way of extracting that extra '25' hp. Your brakes shouldn't lock.. that's extremely dangerous. I don't think that's a standard Honda feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TS John Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 Can you picture that in the design/planning session? "Well, what should we do if our drivers start to go too fast?""That's easy! We'll just have the car automatically slam on the brakes." "Brilliant!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boostedb16 Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Lol most car manufacters have several ways of "govenors". A lot of the same tactics are used used for an upper end car w/ "traction cotrol". Traction control most of the time on a rear whel drive domestic car (Chevy Corvette) will be to simply aply the brakes to the wheel that is spinning. Another way that is used on most front wheel cars (Everything From Chevy Impalas to yes even the Honda Si) When the ABS sensors detect the front wheels of these cars are spinning faster that the rear they simply shift the transmission to the next gear. Unless of course you have the 5 speed model in which case the brakes are applied here also. The "top end governor" was developed a few years ago when a teenage driver lost control of a Chevy Cavailer from a tire blow out. That's when the govenment stepped in and said a car could not go faster than the speed rating that is listed on the tire they come out w/ from the factory. But HungGSR is correct. The way the governor works in a Honda is to cut fuel to the engine. A VERY bad thing if you were spraying at this time because that means you just ran your engine WAY to lean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphries Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 yeah, you are wrong.. my friend's FWD jetta has traction control on his. Honda doesnt make an automatic transmission SI so thats wrong. ABS doesnt detect how fast you are going.. its a fluttering thing on your calipers that keeps you from locking when you slam on the brakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrorocketeer Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 The abs detects how fast the wheel is moving, ie stopped = abs kicks in, or faster than the rest then traction control..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boostedb16 Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 yeah, you are wrong.. my friend's FWD jetta has traction control on his. ABS doesnt detect how fast you are going.. its a fluttering thing on your calipers that keeps you from locking when you slam on the brakes. Sorry to tell you but your ABS is the sensor that tells the PCM which wheels are spinning faster than others. With a four wheel ABS system they can pinpoint excally which wheel is moving at which speed. Speed sensors can be one of three things. They can be mounnted in the rear end and have a pickup on the ring gear, they can be mounted on the transmission and have a pick up on the output shaft. Or they can be mounted right next the brake caliper w/ a pickup on the CV axle. Just like an ABS sensor. What you may not understand is that alot of sensors on the car can be used for more than one funtion. Like an ambient arir temputure sensor for example. It can be used in conjuction w/ th IAT sensor for engine peak hp/mpg and it can also be used for the automatic climate control for the car. Amazing isn't it! Oh and I hate to tell you but the way your buddies Traction Contol on the Volkswagon works it it aplys the brakes to the wheel that is spinning. TRUST ME I WORKED FOR VOLKSWAGON FOR A YEAR!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycarsux Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 "Well, what should we do if our drivers start to go too fast?""That's easy! We'll just have the car automatically slam on the brakes." "Brilliant!" BAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cranny Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 2 degrees of timing taken out for every 30 horse of spray is safe i beleve. you would have to research your particular app. either that or add higher octane fuel. for example , run av gas , leave timing the way it is , you can safely run a 30 shot approx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrorocketeer Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 don't run av gas, if you do, make sure you realize that it isn't the same octane rating as regular gasoline. 112 av isn't the same as 112 automotive, it is considerably less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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