mikeschivic Posted February 18, 2006 Posted February 18, 2006 curious as to what kind of work needed to put a h22a in an 88 model civic dx...I can do all the work myself...but I'm just wondering if it will fit if it won't fit, what are the most powerful engines that will fit in it and how much work do they require?
xalexjx@yahoo.com Posted February 18, 2006 Posted February 18, 2006 it would fit,,if uv never done a honda swap i would not reccomend it..it will take wiring and some custom fab.(also you need to have axles built,and lots of other stuff).stick to a first gen b16a, it would be a much CHEAPER swap and eaisier...also the b16 still has 160hp but is a much better platform for boost any ways..i would go b16a also try searching the forums,,there lots of info about it
mikeschivic Posted February 18, 2006 Author Posted February 18, 2006 is the b16 engine a direct bolt in or what's the deal with making it fit?
cranny Posted February 18, 2006 Posted February 18, 2006 xalex is on the money. yes direct fit with the mounts that come with the engine. you need integra axles. little bit of wiring to do but nothin you cant figure out by reading. B16A way to go. if you dont have the funds for that engine theres lots of D series engines worth lookin into. soles got a kickass D apparently hit him up for D opinions.
xalexjx@yahoo.com Posted February 18, 2006 Posted February 18, 2006 he will say DDDDDDD- series...ill put a dollar on it...be open to other engines also, b16, b18, b20 ( a crv-tec would be cool) there lots of options..all depends on what you want and whats in your wallet
SolLesHonda Posted February 18, 2006 Posted February 18, 2006 There are many options. Personally, I would say try something different. Not original, but just not the same old thing you see everyday. Maybe do a CRVTEC set-up. I started one, but wanted to go boost. So I did.
93blackH22 Posted February 18, 2006 Posted February 18, 2006 but lets say that he was to swap that H22 and bought the kit to have it mount right, exactly what kind of "custom" fabrication would be needed?
..SSR.. Posted February 18, 2006 Posted February 18, 2006 No custom fabrication needed. Just need a mount kit and axles. And you don't have to get axles made either. N/A H22 > turbo B16
xalexjx@yahoo.com Posted February 18, 2006 Posted February 18, 2006 1988-1991 Honda Civic/CRX Tools Required Metric Socket set 8mm – 19mm 32mm Socket 3/8” Short, Medium & Long Extension 10mm Line Wrench 10mm, 12mm, 14mm, 17mm, 19mm & 22mm Open-end Wrenches Die Grinder with Cut-off Wheel & Sanding Disk Sawzall Drill with Spot Removal Bit 2.0” Hole Saw Hammer (BFH) Pry-bar Roll-Pin Punch Set Needle-Nose Pliers Hose-Clamp Pliers Sharpie® Marker Stud Extractor MIG or TIG Welder 2-Post Automotive Lift Quantity Description 1 Left Billet Aluminum Mount 1 Left-Hand Aluminum Engine Bracket 1 Right Billet Aluminum Mount 1 Right-Hand Steel Bracket 1 Rear Billet Aluminum Mount 1 Cable to Hydraulic Adapter 1 Alternator Relocation Brackets 1 Left Hardware 1 Right Hardware 1 Rear Hardware 1 Alternator Relocation Bracket Hardware 3 Additional Recommended Items Factory Service Manuals for 1988-1991 Civic/CRX and 94-95 Prelude VTEC (Available from www.helminc.com or Honda/Acura Dealer) Patience Please read all instructions before proceeding with the installation This is a very complicated engine swap. If you have never performed an engine swap before, Hasport recommends that you have this swap performed by a competent shop. These instructions pertain ONLY to the ENGINE MOUNTING of a H-Series motor into an EF civic chassis. A general list of additional parts needed for the H-Series swap in the 1988-1991 Civic/CRX is listed below. Quantity Description 1 Hasport EFH1 Bolt In Mount Kit (This Kit) 1 H22 Intermediate Shaft 1 Hasport EFHAX Axle Set 1 H22A Motor and Transmission 1 Hasport EFWH OBD0 – OBDI Conversion Harness (Available From Hasport January 2006) 1 H-Series ECU 1 94-97 Accord Shifter Cables & Shifter Box or 93-95 Prelude Shifter Cables & Shifter Box 1 98 Prelude Throttle Cable 1 OBD0 – OBDI ECU Adapter (Can be purchased from ECUADAPTERS.COM) 1 Cable -Style Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS) 1 Hasport EGHRB Rear Prelude Bracket (Rear Engine Mount Bracket from 93-95 Prelude VTEC) 1 Hasport Crank Pulley 1 90-93 Accord Lower Radiator Hose 1 94-96 Prelude VTEC Lower Radiator hose 4 Removing the Engine: (Save all Bolts, You will Need Most of Them!) 1. Discharge R134A or Freon from AC system. (Have a professional evacuate your system.) 2. Place the car on a lift. (2-Post Automotive Lift) 3. Disconnect the negative and positive battery cables and remove the battery, with battery tray. (10mm & 12mm Socket) 4. Disconnect ECU from the cabin harness. (10mm Socket) 5. Disconnect engine harness from driver’s side and passenger side shock-tower. (No Tools Needed) 6. Disconnect positive battery cable from starter and remove the starter cable from the under-hood fuse box. (12mm Wrench, Phillips Screwdriver) 7. Drain the fluids: Oil, Transmission, and Coolant (17mm Wrench, 3/8” Ratchet ) 8. Remove shift knob from shifter. (No Tools Needed, Unless you have a ricer shift knob) 9. Remove the lug nuts & wheels (19mm Socket & Impact Wrench) 10. Remove the left and right shock forks. (17mm, 14mm Socket & 17mm Wrench) 11. Disconnect left & right lower ball joints (17mm Socket, Ball Joint Tool, Hammer) 12. Remove CV-axles (32mm Socket, Impact Wrench & Pry-Bar) 13. Remove the front engine mount on the lower cross member and transmission. (14mm Socket) 14. Remove the front lower cross-member. (17mm & 19mm Socket) 15. Remove a-pipe & catalytic converter (14mm socket, 12mm & 14mm Wrench) 16. Remove shift linkage. (Roll-pin Punch, Hammer, Extension, 12mm Socket & 12mm Wrench) 17. Remove radiator with fan assembly. (10mm Socket & Hose-clamp pliers) 18. Remove heater hoses. (Hose Clamp Pliers) 19. Remove the clutch cable. (No Tools Needed) 20. Remove AC system: AC lines, compressor, condenser and fan. (10mm Socket) 21. Remove fuel line & fuel return line. (22mm or 17mm Socket & Needle-Nose pliers) 22. Remove throttle cable. (12mm Wrench) 23. Remove brake booster hose from motor. (Needle-Nose Pliers) 24. Remove cruise control unit & cable (optional). (10mm Socket & 12mm Wrench) 25. Remove power steering belt and pump. (optional) (12mm Socket) 26. Remove any additional connections that attach the motor to the chassis. 27. Secure the motor on a stand or engine hoist. (Roller Cart, Engine Hoist) 28. Remove the rear engine bracket. (17mm Socket) 29. Remove left mount. (14mm & 17mm Socket) 30. Remove right mount. (14mm & 17mm Socket) 31. Remove motor from car and remaining rear engine mount. (14mm Socket & Lift or Hoist) 5 Preparing the Engine Bay: 1. Remove the stock OEM right-hand engine bracket from the frame rail. Use a spot drill to remove the spot-welds from the bracket. 2. Bolt the right bracket to the passenger side frame -rail using the 12mm battery tray bolts. 3. Remove the paint around the frame rail bracket and prepare it for welding. 4. Stitch-weld the right-hand engine bracket to the passenger side frame rail. 5. Clearance the chassis frame rail to make room for the transmission case. Use the sawzall and die grinder to cut a notch as wide as the right hand engine bracket under the frame rail bracket. Lower the car over the engine to get an idea where to cut the frame rail. Make sure you reinforce the frame rail after you have removed the material from the frame rail! 6 6. Create a dent in the fire wall using an impact hammer or a sledge hammer. The dent will insure that the intake manifold will fit into the engine bay and that the rear mount and bracket will fit. Lower the car over the engine to get an idea where to place the dents in the firewall. 7. Bolt in the rear mount to the rear cross-member using the rear mount hardware supplied with the mount kit. 8. Use a hole saw to create a hole in the firewall. The hole will be used to route the shifter cables to the shifter box. Preparing the Motor: 1. Remove the valve and timing covers along with the OEM left hand engine bracket. Install the Hasport aluminum engine bracket. 2. Remove the electronic vehicle speed sensor (VSS) from the Prelude transmission. Install the cable driven vehicle speed sensor from your stock motor onto the Prelude transmission. 3. Install the cable to hydraulic adapter assembly on the transmission. 7 4. Connect the Hasport wiring conversion harness to all of the proper connections on the motor. Leave the ECU Plugs on top of valve cover at this time. 5. Bolt the alternator relocation brackets to the bottom of the H22A engine. Remove the single cam alternator from the stock engine and install it on the H22A engine’s alternator bracket. Installing the Motor: 1. Place engine and transmission assembly onto the engine stand and lower the car onto the motor as depicted below. 8 2. Pull the engine towards the front of the car and insert the rear Prelude engine bracket, just like KDM James, Male Import Model™, in the pictures below. 3. Place the right-mount on the top of the transmission and insert the 12mm washers, nuts and bolts supplied in the left-mount hardware bag. Snug the 12mm bolts and nuts down to the transmission but do not fully tighten them until all three mounts are in place. Insert the 12mm X 120mm Bolt, supplied in the hardware bag through the engine mount bracket and the engine mount. 4. Align the left mount’s bolt hole up with the left OEM bracket’s through hole. Using the stock hardware and the mount kit hardware, attach the mount to the engine bracket and. Snug the 12mm locknut down to the 12mm through-bolt but do not tighten until the other mounts are in place. 5. Torque all mount and bracket bolts according to specifications below. (14mm, 17mm, 19mm Socket & 17mm, 19mm Wrench) Mount / Bracket Torque Specification (lbf*ft) Hasport Mounts to Brackets 47 Left Mount to Transmission 40 Left Bracket to Frame Rail 33 Right Mount to Engine Bracket 40 Right Bracket to Frame Rail 43 9 6. Plug the engine harness into the plugs on the drivers and passenger side shock tower. Run the sub-harness through the firewall to the ECU. 7. Relocate the battery to the trunk. 8. Install the radiator and radiator hoses. 9. Install the OEM clutch cable onto the cable to hydraulic adapter assembly. 10. Install the Prelude shifter cables on the transmission. Route the shifter cables into the Civic/CRX’s cabin through the small hole in the floor, in front of the old shifter location. 11. Use the template, attached to these instructions, to cut a hole in the floor for the Prelude or Accord shifter box to be installed. 12. Fabricate the shifter box mounting location. 13. Install the header and exhaust 10 14. Raise the car in the air and notch out the OEM lower front cross member to clear the Prelude header and the oil pan. Use a sawzall or a die grinder to clearance the lower cross member. If you do not want to cut the lower cross member, there are a few aftermarket applications that can be substituted. 15. Install the left and right Hasport EFHAX axles, put the suspension back together and the wheels on the car. (14mm, 17mm, 19mm, 32mm Socket & 17mm Wrench) 16. Congratulations! Hopefully, you have just successfully completed the H-Series engine installation into your 1988-1991 Honda Civic/CRX. there ya go
93blackH22 Posted February 21, 2006 Posted February 21, 2006 about that axle... its a preludes because of the tranny right ?
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