Abs Problem

[scamparoni]

Hi

Anyone collected info on the V6 ABS system failing [light comes on and a buzzing noise at startup]. It appears that this was a design problem which ends up with the modulator leaking oil and making the light come on due to lack of pressure [buzzing noise is the pump]. Apparently Honda actually took half of the repair cost in some cases but not now. This stupid thing costs about $900 in parts alone.

I want to puit pressure on my Honda dealer to eat some of the cost.

Thanks

[EGRacer]

yea man do it and if they dont pay sue them for everything their worth cause ull be a zillionaire. nah j/k but do pressure them cause thats not right

[0verb00st]

what year is it?

i tried to look through the recall info for honda accord V6's and this is the message i get, it's very strange:

 

IMPORTANT NOTICE

 

The American Honda Motor Company, Inc. has requested ALLDATA restrict access to Acura and Honda repair information by individual consumers. You will unfortunately not be able to register for access to Acura or Honda vehicle repair information, technical service bulletins or recalls.

 

We kindly request that all comments should be directed to:

American Honda Motor Co., Inc.

P. O. Box 2206

700 Van Ness Ave.

Torrance, CA 90501

 

Honda: 800-999-1009

Acura: 800-382-2238

 

Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused you.

[0verb00st]

i was able to get some recall info, but it's restricted so this isn't the entire recall list. this is for a 2000 Honda Accord V6 (i just took a guess on the year ).

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Emissions Recalls

TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title 99-085 OCT 01 Recall - EGR Port Clogging/Warranty Extension

 

General Recalls

TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title 00-053 JUN 00 Campaign - PCM Update

 

Service Bulletins

TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title 98-061 NOV 01 A/T - In-Warranty Exchange Program

01-097 NOV 01 Instruments - Clock Does Not Light Up

00-017 SEP 01 MIL ON - DTC P0133 Primary Oxygen Sensor Falsely Set

00-088 AUG 01 Brake Discs - Refinishing Guidelines

01-009 AUG 01 Engine - Oil Leaks

98-011 AUG 01 Keyless Entry - Transmitter

01-070 AUG 01 M/T - 5th Gear Grinds On Upshift

01-026 APR 01 Steering Column Tilt Lever - Decreased Clamping Force

00-099 DEC 00 Wiring Terminal - Repair Instructions

00-095 DEC 00 Moonroof - Squeak Noise With Sunshade Open

00-080 DEC 00 SRS Unit - SRS Lamp ON/DTC 15-1 Set

00-088 NOV 00 Brake Rotor - Refinishing Guidelines

00-079 OCT 00 Cooling System - Coolant Leaks From Water Passages

00-089 OCT 00 Supplemental Restraint System - Inspection

00-038 AUG 00 A/T - Vibration When Driving at Low Speeds

00-065 AUG 00 M/T - Bangs in Reverse Gear

00-064 AUG 00 Windshield Molding - Warped/Deformed

00-024 AUG 00 Engine - Hard Start After A `Hot Soak'

00-063 AUG 00 Special Tool - Chassis EAR, Diagnostic Tool

00-018 JUL 00 MIL ON - DTC's P0171 & P0172 Set

00-049 JUL 00 Immobilizer System - Type 2: Operation/Part Replacement

99-053 JUN 00 Immobilizer Key - Key Code Duplicator

00-041 APR 00 Rear Door Sash Trim - Wrinkled

99-018 APR 00 Required Special Tools And Equipment,

98-019 MAR 00 Audio Unit - Warranty Exhange/Out of Warranty Repair

00-015 MAR 00 Audio Unit with CD Player/Changer - Error Codes

00-032 MAR 00 Paint Codes

00-022 MAR 00 Torque Converter Oil Seal - Installation Tool

99-063 DEC 99 Muffler Paint Peeling

97-015 DEC 99 Service Publications - Availability & Ordering

99-093 NOV 99 Wheel(s) - Clicking Noise

98-031 NOV 99 Aftermarket On Board Diagnostic (OBD) || Tester

99-062 OCT 99 Paint Damage From Environmental Fallout

99-075 OCT 99 Updated Troubleshooting - DTCs P1456 and P1457

99-074 AUG 99 Troubleshooting DTCs - P1456 & P1457

99-030 MAY 99 Recommended Materials

98-051 AUG 98 Special Tool Loan Program

[scamparoni]

Thanks for the interest !!

This is a 1996 V6 sedan, the 6 cyl ABS unit is different than the 4 cyl design. When I got a 2nd opinion [due to Honda's cost] at an independant garage he told me this was a known problem. When I then confronted Honda with this they acted like they didnt know and would ring me back. That was 3 weeks ago........

I want to beat them up a bit today.

Dave

[EGRacer]

wow dude u got enough info there man. jeeze. i would have never found that much

[0verb00st]

ok, here's all the info that honda would let me have for the 96 Accord 2.7L SOHC V6:

 

Bulletins for 1996 Honda Accord Sedan V6-2.7L SOHC (24 Valve)

 

 

General Recalls

TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title 98-072 OCT 98 Recall - A/C Wiring Harness Routing

 

Service Bulletins

TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title 98-061 NOV 01 A/T - In-Warranty Exchange Program

00-088 AUG 01 Brake Discs - Refinishing Guidelines

98-011 AUG 01 Keyless Entry - Transmitter

01-070 AUG 01 M/T - 5th Gear Grinds On Upshift

00-099 DEC 00 Wiring Terminal - Repair Instructions

00-088 NOV 00 Brake Rotor - Refinishing Guidelines

00-089 OCT 00 Supplemental Restraint System - Inspection

00-063 AUG 00 Special Tool - Chassis EAR, Diagnostic Tool

99-053 JUN 00 Immobilizer Key - Key Code Duplicator

99-018 APR 00 Required Special Tools And Equipment,

98-019 MAR 00 Audio Unit - Warranty Exhange/Out of Warranty Repair

00-015 MAR 00 Audio Unit with CD Player/Changer - Error Codes

00-022 MAR 00 Torque Converter Oil Seal - Installation Tool

97-015 DEC 99 Service Publications - Availability & Ordering

98-031 NOV 99 Aftermarket On Board Diagnostic (OBD) || Tester

99-062 OCT 99 Paint Damage From Environmental Fallout

99-061 JUL 99 Ball Joint Removal and Installation Tools

99-030 MAY 99 Recommended Materials

98-081 MAR 99 Emission Control Systems - Warranty Extension

98-081 OCT 98 Emissions - Warranty Extension

98-058 AUG 98 Radio - Poor Reception/Static on AM Band

98-051 AUG 98 Special Tool Loan Program

98-026 APR 98 Audio Unit - Antitheft Code Labels

98-018 APR 98 CV Joint Boot - Band Tool

98-023 MAR 98 Power Steering Pump - Fluid Leak

98-001 FEB 98 Engine/Transmission - Hydraulic Lift Truck usage

98-009 JAN 98 Engine - Ticking Noise From the Valve Train

97-060 SEP 97 Windows - Front Door Glass Comes Out of Run Channel

97-031 AUG 97 A/C - Does Not Blow Cold Air

90-007 MAY 97 90-007 - 05/27/97

86-020 MAY 97 Brakes - Disc Refinishing Procedure

97-027 MAY 97 Tools - Denso HLD-100 Halogen Leak Detector

97-016 APR 97 Seats - Manual Seats Hard to Adjust

97-028 MAR 97 Body - Minor Paint Finish Repair

97-018 MAR 97 Suspension - Rear Wheel Bearing Noise

97-020 MAR 97 Tools - New Fuel Pressure Gauge and Replacement Parts

97-014 FEB 97 PDI - Inserting SRS Information

97-008 FEB 97 Radio - Static When Adjusting the Volume

96-050 NOV 96 Brakes - Fluid Leak from the ABS Modulator

96-055 OCT 96 Clutch - Judder at Cold Start

96-052 OCT 96 Instruments - Fuel Gauge Stays At Empty

96-046 OCT 96 Keyless Entry - Transmitter Programming Information

96042 SEP 96 Tools - Power Steering Pressure Gauge

96025 JUN 96 Interior - Power Seat Does Not Move Forward or Backward

93033 JUN 96 Seat Belt - Tongue Stopper Button Broken

94041 MAY 96 Exhaust - System Buzz

89029 MAY 96 Radio - Warranty Exchange/Out Of Warranty Repair

89004 MAY 96 Required Special Tools & Equipment

96022 APR 96 Doors - Doors Lock When Lifting Handle

96012 MAR 96 A/C - System Performance Test

95025 MAR 96 Clutch - Creaking Pedal

96014 FEB 96 Tools - Belt Tension Gauge Calibration and Repair

91030 JAN 96 Seat Belt - Slow to Retract

92012 JAN 96 Seat Belts - Warranty Replacement Policy

95058 DEC 95 Body - Paint Codes

89029 DEC 95 Radio - Unit Diagnosis

93049 OCT 95 Interior - Instrument Panel Creak

95043 OCT 95 PDI - Poor Fit Of Wheel Center Cap

95041 OCT 95 Windows - Screeching Noise when Lowering Drivers Window

ATRATB078 NOV 91 A/T - How To Use A Pressure Gauge

ATRATB028 OCT 90 A/T - Engine Vacuum Testing

ATRATB9002006 FEB 90 A/T - Choosing the Right ATF

ATRATB8930 OCT 89 A/T - Math Part II

ATRATB8927 SEP 89 A/T - Twenty Steps To Successful Repairs

ATRATB8923 AUG 89 A/T - Math Formulas Part I

ATRATB8754 SEP 87 A/T - Front Bushing Wear

ATRATB8748 AUG 87 A/T - Slipping or No-Shift/Metal Sealing Rings

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there seems to be a few TSB's for the brakes. i wonder what else Honda is hiding? good luck. hopefully they pay for it since it is a manufacturer's defect

[EGRacer]

omfg man were the hell do u get all this info?? i cnat seem to find that much info

[stridertacticz]

omfg man were the hell do u get all this info?? i cnat seem to find that much info

he's like mark and his porno...j/k

[scamparoni]

Many thanks for that OverbOOst !!

That looks very promising, I have the exact thing described in 96050 TSB. Am I understanding this table correctly - they all have their own TSB number but are grouped under a document called :

"98-061 NOV 01 A/T - In-Warranty Exchange Program "

 

Thanks again for the help

[EGRacer]

yea overboost has info and mark has porno

[optional187]

for some reason honda has a problem with paint also. it seems that the roof of a lot of civic's (5th gen) ad accords have a problem with oxidation. honda will pick up half the cost of a re-spray of the entire roof. ends up being around 200 bucks, not a bad deal.

[James Matteu]

Hi

Anyone collected info on the V6 ABS system failing [light comes on and a buzzing noise at startup]. It appears that this was a design problem which ends up with the modulator leaking oil and making the light come on due to lack of pressure [buzzing noise is the pump]. Apparently Honda actually took half of the repair cost in some cases but not now. This stupid thing costs about $900 in parts alone.

I want to puit pressure on my Honda dealer to eat some of the cost.

Thanks

 

I have always known that the buzzing at startup is the ABS pump chargning the system. Over time the pump (the buzzing) has stayed on longer and longer until now the pump will continue charging until an ABS error code is thrown.

 

I pulled the motor relay to save the pump, but will plug it back in to pull the codes.

 

I am certain there are some of you out there that will already know what the code is and have a solution already resolved.

 

I have searched a few other forums and have hear everything from faulty o-rings at the bottom of the accumulator to leaking cylinder plugs.

 

I am first going to pull the codes, then buy enough brake fluid to properly bleed this thing.

 

I will keep you guys up to date, but would like to have others share their experiences.

[airjordan223]

holy dead thread batman. 2002 baby

[Kegger]

OH.

 

MY.

 

GOD.

 

James you have officially taken the record for oldest, deadest thread resurrected.

[James Matteu]

We always tell the newbies to search the forum for an answer to their problems. Well, I searched, and this thread was the closest to describing my problem. Funny, I searched "ABS" and got nothing. This thread was found by searching "buzzing".

 

Edit: Too bad Scamparoni is probably not an active member any longer, he had a 1996 Honda Accord EX-V6.

 

2nd Edit: ROTFLOL, This is Scamparoni's ONLY thread. He made one thread, posted two responses, and then he took off.

[James Matteu]

Okay so I pulled my codes...

 

 

 

Code 4-1: Description: Wheel Sensor, Right-front

 

Reason: Funny story, I was doing a brake job and left one of the bolts behind the hub loose. A few days later it finally worked itself loose and fell out. Just not before it could lodge itself between the wheel sensor and the CV Axle. The bolt ground the gear pulser smooth.

 

Code 1-0: Description: ABS pump motor over-run

 

Probable Causes:

1. Air mixed in the ABS brake fluid

2. Pressure switch stuck OFF

3. Open circuit between the pressure switch and ABS control unit

4. Open circuit in the P-SW circuit between the pressure switch and body ground, or a poor ground

5. Drop in pump discharge volume

6. Leaking outlet valve

7. Leaking relief valve

8. ABS brake flluid leakage

9. Faulty ABS control unit

 

I am going to reperform the bleeding procedure next payday. Again, any ideas, feel free to contribute.

 

I am thinking I have some kind of slow leak and/or air in the pump. I will re-bleed and pressure wash the engine bay. This way I will be able to spot any new leaks, versus any slow weeping seals.

 

FYI, Honda T/N 07PAZ-0010100 ($5.00 at Honda) will pull codes from the ECU for the PGM-Fi as well.

[lceah]

great! I learned something more...

 

the over-run...if it's not a leak or air, then it should be the controls/electrical...

[Velocifero]

My code is 1-8, High pressure somethingorother. Bleeding might help, but you need a vacuum pump, which I'm not sure where to get. A new ABS pump/accumulator is around $100 on ebay with a warranty, but I'm not sure how difficult it is to replace. The Haynes says the ABS system is way more complex than you realize and doesnt even recommend working on it without a professional or a separate ABS manual.

[lceah]

sometimes we know more than the professionals...proved it two weeks ago lol >_<

[Velocifero]

sometimes we know more than the professionals...proved it two weeks ago lol >_<

I think of Honda techs when I think of professionals. They too don't know it all. What happened with you?

[lceah]

Honda techs are a lot better sometimes in around where I live...as I've found out...

 

mine...I went for a compression test and the mechanic was reading off the OBD reader and he is like you are running a bit rich and I said yes and I'm fixing that by changing the injectors. He said no the injectors won't do anything (going bigger to stock) and sure enough, when I changed them afterwards, it got fixed! he probably knows a lot more about other things than me, but this one I knew what I was talking about lol

 

EDIT: sorry for the thread jack...back to topic

[James Matteu]

My code is 1-8, High pressure somethingorother. Bleeding might help, but you need a vacuum pump, which I'm not sure where to get. A new ABS pump/accumulator is around $100 on ebay with a warranty, but I'm not sure how difficult it is to replace. The Haynes says the ABS system is way more complex than you realize and doesnt even recommend working on it without a professional or a separate ABS manual.

 

...without a professional or a separate ABS manual.

Helms gives the bleeding procedure. No mention of professional help, although I recomend professional help to others all the time, but I am fine.

 

Bleeding might help, but you need a vacuum pump...

The procedure is rediculously simple, no vacuum pump needed. Run the pump (key in the ignition), run the pump again and open the bleed bolt while it's running then close the bleed bolt when no more aerated fluid is pushed through, repeat.

 

The Haynes says the ABS system is way more complex...

Don't get me wrong, the system is complex, the Helm manual devotes 9 pages just to explaining exactly how it functions.

 

My code is 1-8, High pressure somethingorother.

Code 1-8: High Pressure Sensor. The high pressure sensor is really just a mechanical switch attached to a hose, you might want to look into cleaning it, the mechanism might have some binding issues.

 

Other possible issues:

1. Accumulator gas leakage

2. Changed relief valve set pressure

3. Rear outlet solenoid valve late to close

 

A new ABS pump/accumulator is around $100 on ebay with a warranty,...

I bought an AC compressor on eBay and the warranty it came with was written in such a way that the manufacturer and the distributor was to be held harmless unless the compressor suffered a sudden and catastrophic failure. The compressor does work, but it moans like a whore and has a high/low pressure difference of about 50psi when it should be 85-100psi. So technically it works and the warranty doesn't apply, but in reality the thing sucks.

 

You know, fool me once and all. So no eBay, unless I get desperate.

 

...but I'm not sure how difficult it is to replace.

It's easy cheesey

 

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[Velocifero]

Wow, thanks for clearing up some of that stuff! The thing is, it doesnt happen all the time. Usually, but not always. And when accumulator does charge without the light coming on, the ABS works perfectly. It's really hit or miss when i turn that key. Sound like a simple cleaning of the sensor? Leakage i would think it would never work. Where exactly is that sensor at? Would bleeding help my situation or no?

[lceah]

I searched the code you mentioned "high pressure..." :

 

"may indicate a failure to build up pressure because the fluid level is low or there is air in the system. There's a special "maintenance bleeder valve" under a red cap on the modulator that must be opened to relieve pressure inside the modulator any time the modulator, pump or accumulator is serviced. Honda has a special T-handle wrench (07HAA-SG00100) that can be used for this purpose. To relieve pressure, turn the bleeder screw one complete turn (key off), then stop. Wait until the pressure is relieved, then close the screw."

 

this might help?